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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Nov 14, 2013 12:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Doucumenting the Dead...because we need more.

"It's American cultural history as important as Mark Twain or Frank Lloyd Wright."

That's funny.

Look, I know we all love the band and they were certainly culturally important to a relatively small group of people. However, to say that they were as culturally significant as Frank Lloyd Wright or Mark Twain is a huge overstatement for a band who's music most Americans have never even heard (except, perhaps, for Truckin' or Touch on their oldies station).

With all the emotion, time, effort and resources that I have dedicated to this one band, I would love nothing more than to be validated by a historical account that says that the Grateful Dead were an important cultural phenomenon that significantly affected American music.

Unfortunately, history is unlikely to judge them as such.

Fifty years from now, when we're all gone and musical historians are writing about the evolution of music in this country, the Grateful Dead will be a footnote and in all likelihood will merit no more than a paragraph or so as:

1) An interesting minor musical phenomenon


2) The most famous representatives of a fairly insignificant sub-category of late 20th and early 21st century American musical history.

Or most likely they'll be mentioned as the band that hippie legend Jerry Garcia fronted.

And that's if they are even mentioned at all.

This post was modified by Purple Gel on 2013-11-14 20:43:58

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Nov 14, 2013 1:10pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Doucumenting the Dead...because we need more.

I do agree with you... unfortunately true. Unfortunate, because that hippie legend Jerry Garcia will not be recognized as one of the greatest musicians of the 20th century. To this listener, he belongs in the same pantheon as Louis Armstrong, the Beatles, Miles Davis or George Gershwin. A troubadour, minstrel for the ages.

I can hear your voice....

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Poster: Monte B Cowboy Date: Nov 14, 2013 3:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Doucumenting the Dead...because we need more.

forgotten Cowboys?

Dawg • Tony • Jer

Speaking of new Cowboy tidbits, there is a new inventory of vintage bluegrass tapes being torrented at etree by cheeseincident. I would like to thank him immensely for sharing his collection. This means we now have "the shit on Tony's playing and singing" from forty years ago, regarding Tony Rice's recent induction to the IBMA.


excellent vintage bluegrass tape collection
tapes seeded by cheeseincident ~ Sept - Nov, 2013

re: What Mando said about Tony Rice speaking, and then my knee-jerk comments about Tony Rice's induction into IBMA's hall of fame...

"When Tony Rice, Jerry Douglas, and Ricky Skaggs played together in J.D. Crowe's band they were all the shit! This would have been in late 1973 or just after that. For sure they played together in Crowe's band in 1974 and/or 1975. I saw this grouping of J.D. Crowe's band at many bluegrass festivals. They kicked ass! Seldom Scene band was their only serious competition back then.

Before playing in Crowe's band, Ricky Skaggs played with the Country Gentlemen band. I saw him play a couple of times with them. I can't remember about Jerry or Tony in this period, around 1972-ish or early 1973. Before this we have Tony Rice and Sam Bush playing together with the Bluegrass Alliance band."

These tapes that cheeseincident shared recently are what I was talking about...

Bluegrass Alliance show, Sept 1971
Guitar - Tony Rice
Mandolin - Sam Bush
Fiddle - Lonnie Peerce
Banjo - Courtney Johnson
Bass - Ebo Walker

Seldom Scene show, June 1972

Newgrass Revival show, Jan 1973
Sam Bush - Mandolin, Fiddle, Vocals
Curtis Burch - Guitar, Dobro, Vocals
Courtney Johnson - Banjo, Vocals
Ebo Walker - Bass, Vocals

J.D. Crowe band show, Jan 1975
J.D. Crowe - Banjo
Tony Rice - Guitar
Ricky Skaggs - Mandolin, Fiddle
Jerry Douglas - Dobro
Bobby Slone - Bass

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Poster: Sansloy Date: Nov 15, 2013 5:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Doucumenting the Dead...because we need more.

You're probably right. The impact for future generations would be largely an unseen cultural impact - stuff everyone take for granted now, were at least partially due to the dead:

- The idea that a creative artist could be successful without a mainstream hit.

- Giving away product to sell more (tape trading).

- Good quality sound at a live concert with a good value for money long shows(I think of the Beatles playing a 25 minute set over stadium PAs without monitors - it's a miracle they sang in tune at all.)

I still think that the GD would make a good American Masters subject on PBS.

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Nov 14, 2013 12:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Doucumenting the Dead...because we need more.

BUT Kesey and the Pranksters will be recognized as important cultural icons, for better or worse, and thus a little light will shine on the band from that angle.

who is skrillex? and why is he following me?